Introduction Introduction to the PD-5050/ PD-6150 Plasma Displays Mitsubishi’s PD-5050/PD-6150 plasma displays are a seamless blend of cutting-edge visual technology and sophisticated design. The displays sleek techno-art lines blend in well with most environments.
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post #1 of 23Old11-15-2004, 10:49 PM - Thread Starter
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Can anyone confirm whether Mitsubishi and NEC are (more of less) one and the same? (Specifically the 50-XR4 and the Mitsu 5050).
Does anyone else besides Magnolia carry the Misu 5050.
I keep hearing that the Mitsu has the sharpest looking bezel on the planet.
Does anyone else besides Magnolia carry the Misu 5050.
I keep hearing that the Mitsu has the sharpest looking bezel on the planet.
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It would appear to me to be the same basic set as the NEC. Same basic input layout, same remote, same RS-232 interface. One difference I did note was that the Mits appears to have HDMI, while the NEC offers DVI/HDCP.
I had heard that the consumer NEC's of this series were supposed to be HDMI as well. Perhaps they agreed to leave that advantage to Mits for awhile? An any event, that would give a slight advantage to the Mits if you had HDMI equipment or needed a longish run.
The NEC is more widely available from online retailers, including forum sponsors, and will probably be more aggressively priced. If you wanted to purchase locally, the Mits is probably much easier to find in a B&M store.
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ps - Based on the pictures (I've not seen it in person) the bezel on the Mits looks nice, but not that much different than the residential NEC.
I had heard that the consumer NEC's of this series were supposed to be HDMI as well. Perhaps they agreed to leave that advantage to Mits for awhile? An any event, that would give a slight advantage to the Mits if you had HDMI equipment or needed a longish run.
The NEC is more widely available from online retailers, including forum sponsors, and will probably be more aggressively priced. If you wanted to purchase locally, the Mits is probably much easier to find in a B&M store.
Jeff
ps - Based on the pictures (I've not seen it in person) the bezel on the Mits looks nice, but not that much different than the residential NEC.
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Here are the user manuals on these two models:
necvisualsystems.com/corpus/2/T/operation_50xr4.pdf
mitsubishi-tv.com/common/getfile.asp?uuid={83882F7B-3653-4030-857E-E03736C184E5}
They look very similar, especially in the menus. I believe my local Fry's carries the Mistubishi. I'm going to try and have a look at it tonight.
Jordan
necvisualsystems.com/corpus/2/T/operation_50xr4.pdf
mitsubishi-tv.com/common/getfile.asp?uuid={83882F7B-3653-4030-857E-E03736C184E5}
They look very similar, especially in the menus. I believe my local Fry's carries the Mistubishi. I'm going to try and have a look at it tonight.
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If they are the same then this solves the problem of not being able to see the new NECs in person.
The Mitsu bezel has gotten rave comments from some on these boards who have seen it in person, while the NEC (based on pictures alone) looks pretty spartan.
The prices are pretty darn close for the Mitsu and NEC online, so if the bezel is that much better and it has HDMI the scales could tip to the Mitsu.
The question I have is PQ between the two - is it identical and based on the same generation of glass and processing?
The Mitsu bezel has gotten rave comments from some on these boards who have seen it in person, while the NEC (based on pictures alone) looks pretty spartan.
The prices are pretty darn close for the Mitsu and NEC online, so if the bezel is that much better and it has HDMI the scales could tip to the Mitsu.
The question I have is PQ between the two - is it identical and based on the same generation of glass and processing?
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Mitsubishi does not own NEC
NEC and Mitsubishi formed a joint venture between the monitor divisions of these companies in early 2000 to focus on CRT and LCD markets.
Pioneer, as of mid-2004, actually owns what was previously the NEC plasma division.
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NEC and Mitsubishi formed a joint venture between the monitor divisions of these companies in early 2000 to focus on CRT and LCD markets.
Pioneer, as of mid-2004, actually owns what was previously the NEC plasma division.
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Originally posted by ghileman If they are the same then this solves the problem of not being able to see the new NECs in person. The question I have is PQ between the two - is it identical and based on the same generation of glass and processing? |
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What about Marantz? Is that also essentially an NEC unit? I did a search in this forum which came up with a few comments that seemed to indicate this was the case. I saw a Marantz at a specialty store in San Francisco and it had a really wonderful picture.
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Yes, NEC makes the Maranta (and apparently the Misubishi too). The question we all have is how different is the NEC from the Marantz and Mitsubishi beyond bezel finish?
Also, it appears (although were not sure yet) that the new Mitsu (the 5050) is the exact equivalent of the 50-XR4. But does Marantz have a 50-XR4 equivalent?
Also, it appears (although were not sure yet) that the new Mitsu (the 5050) is the exact equivalent of the 50-XR4. But does Marantz have a 50-XR4 equivalent?
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NEC does OEM to Marantz.
In fact, I just scanned the online manual for the Marantz PD4220V (42' ED set). It is an exact copy of the NEC manual for the 42VM4 (well, except for the Marantz logos replacing the NEC logos). Note that this is based on NEC's previous generation panel and does not support HDCP on DVI or other stated enhancements (such as increased panel half-life).
Given that the Mits supports HDMI, I'd bet it is based on the later generation panel, and would be a better comparison of current generation NEC displays than the Marantz is. But again, I'm just speculating...
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In fact, I just scanned the online manual for the Marantz PD4220V (42' ED set). It is an exact copy of the NEC manual for the 42VM4 (well, except for the Marantz logos replacing the NEC logos). Note that this is based on NEC's previous generation panel and does not support HDCP on DVI or other stated enhancements (such as increased panel half-life).
Given that the Mits supports HDMI, I'd bet it is based on the later generation panel, and would be a better comparison of current generation NEC displays than the Marantz is. But again, I'm just speculating...
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I just went down and looked at the Mitsu 5050 at Magnolia. It's solid. Very solid. Some claim that the Misu is slightly superior in terms of processing (e.g., motion artifact) to the NEC. Also, the Mitsu bezel is the best I've seen.
I'm pretty convinced that XR4, 5050, latest Marantz - pretty much any flavor of the newest NEC - is superior to the 7 series Panny.
However, what I am not as sure about is where the latest NEC stands in comparison to the 30 (which were recently heavily discounted) or 40 series Fujitsus.
I'm pretty convinced that XR4, 5050, latest Marantz - pretty much any flavor of the newest NEC - is superior to the 7 series Panny.
However, what I am not as sure about is where the latest NEC stands in comparison to the 30 (which were recently heavily discounted) or 40 series Fujitsus.
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There is a real lack of info on this plasma and I'm just curious if anyone out there even has one?
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Anybody know street pricing on the 5050? Please pm me.
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ghileman, how were the black levels on the Mitsubishi?
NEC famously does not publish their Contrast Ratios, claiming that it is a subjective measurement.
Interestingly, Mitsubishi PD-5010 (previous model, but also presumably based on the NEC glass) claimed 1000:1 CR.
That's not bad, but a far cry from Panasonic, which claims 3000:1.
Does anybody know CR for PD-5050 and/or NEC 50xm4?
NEC famously does not publish their Contrast Ratios, claiming that it is a subjective measurement.
Interestingly, Mitsubishi PD-5010 (previous model, but also presumably based on the NEC glass) claimed 1000:1 CR.
That's not bad, but a far cry from Panasonic, which claims 3000:1.
Does anybody know CR for PD-5050 and/or NEC 50xm4?
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I couldn't tell. It was set up to a fixed HD feed that mostly had bright source material. There was no way to pop in Alien or another black level killer to test it.
I've heard repeatedly the NEC/Marantz/Mitsubishi black levels are very close to the Panasonic ones, however, so I wasn't really looking for that.
Contrast ratios are not very scientific, so don't base your decision on them.
I've heard repeatedly the NEC/Marantz/Mitsubishi black levels are very close to the Panasonic ones, however, so I wasn't really looking for that.
Contrast ratios are not very scientific, so don't base your decision on them.
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I'm pretty sure the 5050 uses the previous generation NEC glass. Mitsubishi doesn't publish many specs, but they do report the power consumption as 480W, the same as the 5030 and the 50XM3. NEC reduced the power consumption of the new-gen models (the 50-inchers now only use 425 watts), so any new plasmas based on 4th-gen NEC glass should consumer around 425 watts (unless they have tuners, speakers, etc. that would up the power requirement).
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Great discovery. I was wondering about that.
Soo....I guess that means the NEC 50-XR4 is a) superior while b) costing less.
Soo....I guess that means the NEC 50-XR4 is a) superior while b) costing less.
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I have the mats 5030 and agree with you, it's hard to find anything online outside of company processed sales pitches.
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post #19 of 23Old11-17-2004, 12:53 PM - Thread Starter
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Also, does anyone know if it is using the NEC 3rd gen glass (like the Misu 5050) or is using the latest 4th gen glass found in the NEC 50-XR4?
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I just took a look at it. It's amazing.
It does however consumer 480W of power, which I take to mean that it's using the 3rd generation NEC glass which consumes the same quanity of power.
The 4th gen NEC glass used on the 50-XR4, for example, consumes around 425W.
It does however consumer 480W of power, which I take to mean that it's using the 3rd generation NEC glass which consumes the same quanity of power.
The 4th gen NEC glass used on the 50-XR4, for example, consumes around 425W.
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I just took a look at the new Marantz 5050. It's amazing.
It does however consume 480W of power too, which I take to mean that it's using the 3rd generation NEC glass, which consumes the same quanity of power.
As Ohji pointed out, the 4th gen NEC glass used on the 50-XR4, for example, consumes around 425W.
It does however consume 480W of power too, which I take to mean that it's using the 3rd generation NEC glass, which consumes the same quanity of power.
As Ohji pointed out, the 4th gen NEC glass used on the 50-XR4, for example, consumes around 425W.
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Actually the user manual for the pd-5050 lists the power consumption as 435W so maybe its 4th gen NEC.
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